There is a difference between "you are stupid" and "your argument is stupid" but the ISDs seem unable to see that.

Let's also not forget Jades rampant conspiracy theories which largely went unmoderated, yet replies calling him out on it were repeatedly deleted as "personal attacks" -- apparently responding to a personal attack is bad, but starting a thread which is one long slander piece (repeatedly) is OK? Right.

If the ISD scheme is to continue it needs to do so in a different way, because volunteers simply can't be held accountable in the same way as staff (wage pressure) and I suspect this is part of the reason why the quality has been weak.

Some people love the EvE Online forums, it is (was?) part of the EvE Online experience.

Transforming the forums in some type "blizzard style" forum is a very bad choice, it's boring, bland and goes against the EvE Online culture.

The ISDs are terrible and should either have nuked almost everything you wrote or nothing at all--but should have applied that with every post in that thread. Instead, we got you calling people stupid while tinfoiling like a paranoid schizo about CCP being in league with Goonswarm (who just had 5 trillion ISK stolen from them by CCP so vOv I don't know what to tell you about how ludicrous it is that they are in cahoots) while the ISDs indiscriminately removed random posts, posts that were just as often dumb trolling as they were well-thought-out and coherent arguments.That is why the ISD sucks.

It's very simple, It's the exact opposite of what you think it is.

You simply can't put a group of people up to control something without them ALL following the exact, clear cut and unsmokescreened rules.
As long as there are rules which have interpretation variations you will never ever be able to blod out the notion of favouritism in regards to moderation since you didn't take out the human factor.

People from certain groups have a dislike of people from another group and this will always result in more exact or strict ruling than for those they do like or don't care about at all.

Since there are no affiliations known of the CCL people the people start to roar because of seemingly prejudice towards a ruling.
Is that wonderous? No it isn't.

Your only way to get a clear cut answer is either a fully accountable organisation, which CCP refuses to be.

or

Very clear cut and all covering rules which get used for everyone exactly the same, which CCP refuses to do.

You may not know this, but on something awful the worst of the memes become "viral", get run into the ground by people who think they're being funny, and then become a bannable offense inside of a week.

That sounds like it would do wonders for this forum, honestly.

I tolerated you very very well for the first, say, 10 pages, but after that your intolerable lies caused personal attacks, not just from me but from countless angles (though I was actually not personally moderated).

You may think it "clever" to repeatedly lie over and over again to try to make the other side fall foul of self induced moderation, but at some point people are going to call you on your bullshit. For instance:



a) They are not objectively terrible since there was a debate over them which reached no conclusion.

b) You repeatedly asked me to counter your proposal only because doing so made it look like I had not. I had, repeatedly. Other posters had also, repeatedly. You simply ignored this and kept asking people to prove you wrong because you felt making the other people look bad in the discussion was going to further your agenda. The changes you referred to had been mentioned by me in that thread TEN TIMES in that thread alone and you willfully ignored them, even quoting parts of the same posts out of context to further your agenda.
It's a little woeful that the substance of your debate seems to be to try to trip people over forum rules, but I guess that's your lot to live with.

You need to step away from YOUR ego and read your posts. Because a lot of your early posts WERE moderated for being little else than personal attacks on CCP. It's nice that you can sit here and claim level headed posting when there's pages of evidence on eve-search and EN24 of you getting very very angry indeed.

This is now ANOTHER thread where you've appeared and posted within 2 posts of mine and/or mention of your name, so I am a little flattered you've included me in your internet stalking behaviour.

You received this response form everyone because despite about 100 posts explaining the complete lack of logic behind it, and your statements which held no evidence behind them at all, you still kept saying the same thing.
No, I don't think you're an escaped mental patient but you need to realise when you doggedly push a completely illogical argument because it suits your agenda that is *exactly* what it looks like.

If the ISD team were competent they would have deleted all your posts where your statements of fantasy as fact that were demonstrably untrue were made. Interestingly this is against the rules now, so I can't wait till yout next "CCP are doing what GSF are telling them to do" post.

Oh, and before you claim you never said that, just know I'll link every single post you made on it in a reply.

Can we at least make it through one thread about CCP censorship and the moderators program without bickering at each other?

Please explain how we're meant to perceive:

Looks like I accidentally a word there, oops.

I don't get why a spacehooker is telling me to be nicer on the forums. Especially a spacehooker that calls my friends cowardly, weak imbeciles.

Stop arguing about your argument and get back to discussing ISD.

Once more you selectively quote my post and claim the same complete nonsense

What gives?

You're claiming this was to help large alliances yet the question you are refusing to answer is whether large or small alliances had it worse to begin with, which is laughably obtuse.